they have made fools out of every american president since ronald reagan in 1986. there are no moderates in iran. >> well, you basically say, here's what you can have. and by the way, we need inspections and intrusive inspections. unless you give us the confidence that you're not cheating, we're not going to accept the deal. you put it on the table and say if you accept such a deal, you'll get real economic help. if you don't, you're going to continue to feel the pinch. >> richard, let me ask you on october 9th, 2012, i've been asking this question for two years. there are, of course, moderates in iran. half of the country is weste westernized, highly educated. and there are moderates, but they don't run the country. on october 9th, 2012, who runs iran? do we still not know? >> in the intelligence business, iran is right up there with north korea as probably the hardest targets to really understand. >> certainly not ahmadinejad. >> no. supreme leader. >> it's the supreme leader along with -- >> the mullulahs. >> aren't they intimidated by the revolutionary guard? >